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author Vadim Shirokov
title Oia (Santorini)
date11/27/2013 3:28:30 PM
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1 rafal_antoniuk   (11/27/2013 3:50:23 PM)
Superb capture, maybe except a bluish color on buildings. But those caves are AWESOME!
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2 Hania (Anna Franek)   (11/27/2013 3:56:16 PM)
#1 rafal_antoniuk: I think the blue light is natural, imo it is the light of dusk.
3 Vadim Shirokov   (11/27/2013 4:03:21 PM)
#1 rafal_antoniuk:
#2 Hania(Anna Franek):
Yes, blue colour has turned out by itself. And it's difficult to struggle with it:) I think that it because of open space - the city is located on the sea and decline party.
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Hania (Anna Franek)   (11/27/2013 4:04:43 PM)
Agree with Rafal - suberb capture!
Love the interference of blue light with golden lights of houses and streets.
5 rafal_antoniuk   (11/27/2013 4:09:19 PM)
#2 Hania(Anna Franek): I respect that and know it's a personal "taste". I will just warm up all photo or reduce blue on buildings ( as example).
6 Reidar   (11/27/2013 4:51:17 PM)
7 Sjilkov   (11/27/2013 4:56:47 PM)
8 Hania (Anna Franek)   (11/27/2013 5:00:29 PM)
#5 rafal_antoniuk: Think that you are right - this is a problem of personal taste. I played a bit with the photo in PS: 1)reduced all blues, 2)reduced all blues and warm up the picture. It also works and is beautiful.
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Geordie (Dean Wilson)   (11/27/2013 5:02:22 PM)
Agree about the slight blue cast but the pictorial content and composition is exciting and refreshing.
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Sreten   (11/27/2013 5:34:58 PM)
Wonderful photo, great light, clarity and mood!
11 TW_Bda (Tim White)   (11/27/2013 5:58:18 PM)
Very nice shot and interesting discussion. I also would warm it a little, and make it a little darker to enhance the lights of the town.
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12 incult (Marius Caragea)   (11/27/2013 10:21:21 PM)
Very good. I've seen this in plain daylight a lot but I don't remember seeing any image at dusk. Well done!
13 Vadim Shirokov   (11/28/2013 1:48:51 AM)
Thanks all for opinions and for the offered examples of processing of this photo!:) Each of variants is comprehensible and interesting.
14 rafal_antoniuk   (11/28/2013 2:14:31 AM)
#8 Hania(Anna Franek): I like blues in the sky and water, just not on a buildings.
I think we can ask the question : What is it natural?
- the image strait from camera and believe it what sensor giving as
- or remember how we saw it in own eyes.
I never see that much blue in blue hours or dusk. Camera is mostly changing a scene. And image is different what we just really saw it. But it's difficult to remember every shot and show it real scenery... plus makes the image attractive.
15 Hania (Anna Franek)   (11/28/2013 2:45:48 AM)
#14 rafal_antoniuk: I would like to continue our interesting talk very much but cannot do it at the moment. Will write more later.
16 Vadim Shirokov   (11/28/2013 3:16:52 AM)
#14 rafal_antoniuk: Answering your questions and remarks, I want to tell the following. The photo has been made after a decline. And usually night has dark blue colour:) But these houses at a daylight all are white. I when photographed, have established parametre of balance of a white AUTO. Also I place the following photo. From other similar city. It is made at balance of a white AUTO too. But before a decline.
17 Vadim Shirokov   (11/28/2013 3:18:02 AM)
#15 Hania(Anna Franek): I will wait, it is interesting to me too:)
18 TW_Bda (Tim White)   (11/28/2013 6:06:25 AM)
#16 Vadim Shirokov: When I take evening shots, I find that auto WB puts far more blue into the shadow areas than I saw at the time - I guess each camera sensor is different. I usually play with split toning in ACR for a RAW image to correct that before opening in P'shop
19 Hania (Anna Franek)   (11/28/2013 10:37:46 AM)
#14 rafal_antoniuk:
In my opinion Vadim and Tim touched/raised a key issue - white balance. But apart from WB settings, spotlessly white walls will always reflect light in a different way than the entire surroundings and I am not surprised that this reflection is special. That is why in a case of changing colour I would not change it partly (e.g. only on buildings) but in the entire image.

What is natural?
Reality changed by different types of cameras, settings, photographic programs, monitors, even by type of light and its location in the computer room? Think they all are only istruments to express what we remember or what we want to show/communicate in the image.
So what I remember?
The image that exists in my mind is also shaped by my emotions, post processing of what I remember is automatically shaped by my photographic skills/limitations and aesthetic preferences.

You asked a very difficult question, Rafal :)
Think that ability to recreate/reconstruct reality - is A VERY GREAT ART...
20 B2O   (11/28/2013 3:03:39 PM)
#19 Hania(Anna Franek): Hania, It is a scientific fact that the sun creates a blue cast in shade regions. That's the problem of every sensor. Even in the very expensive Hasselblad slr's. You can see that in the regions where it does not happen out here and there are more places where the sun reaches the buildings.
That's why every image needs PP IMO. I have in my workflow on sun/shadow images always a Yellow filter to compensate that en lay down a negative mask on it. I do that to let the yellow work only in the shadow regions.

In that way you create a more realistic version than the one from the sensor. But: The photographer self knows how it was if he can remember and never the viewer. So it is up to him how he has experienced that moment, or wants to experience the viewer of the image that moment.

In this case I would correct the blue cast created by a fault in the sensor(technologie) and make it a bit warmer. And it is a nice place to be I believe.
Gr. Bas
21 rafal_antoniuk   (11/28/2013 3:42:32 PM)
#19 Hania(Anna Franek): Yes, you right White Balance should be a tool to solve the problem, but it's not. Maybe only custom color temperature in Canon's (probably different name in Nikon's), but in RAW file you can change that later.
Most of my images I have to warm up and add saturation or vibrancy, and little-bit of contrast.
...but obvious and simple rule I fallow:
better picture you got = less post processing you need
That was a great discussion. Thanks!
22 Hania (Anna Franek)   (11/28/2013 4:30:18 PM)
#20 B2O: So nice to see another interesting comment, Bas. Agree that in some light conditions the blue cast is the problem of every sensor. And I am interested how should it be modified in the evening landscape with highly reflective white objects. Think that the answer is not only a technical information, it is also the problem of personal aesthetic preferences.
23 Hania (Anna Franek)   (11/28/2013 4:52:00 PM)
#21 rafal_antoniuk: Thank you!
24 B2O   (11/29/2013 7:39:30 AM)
#22 Hania(Anna Franek): Hi Hania, I fully agree with you! But first correct the cast because it really is a technical fault. Then the white balance and that is like you said very personal. And I do think that the taste(or choice) of the initial photographer is the most important one. He is the artist....
In this case Vadim.

I have a quote for my photography :" The beautiful reminder of the moment, for the experience from now" (I hope my english is good enough)

Thank you for the interaction. Nice to read other(or the same) visions.
Gr. Bas
25 Hania (Anna Franek)   (11/29/2013 7:28:49 PM)
#24 B2O:
#21 rafal_antoniuk:
Appreciate this talk very much although I see that my comments were not precise.
Still there are many questions in my head. We all like the blue cast of so called "blue hour". I like the blue cast also fifteen minutes before the blue hour :))) and often do not want to remove it. But it is me, it is my personal choice. This almost phosphorescent blue light on the walls of houses is really very intensive but perhaps it is an asset of this image...
Thank you Bas and Rafal once more!
26 Stuart Holmes   (7/15/2016 11:00:28 PM)
I'm just struck by the place itself. (The photo is superb!) There appear to be ruins in the middle of this town and I can't help but wonder how old they must be, and am saddened by the fact that here in the states they'd have been covered over. This photo makes me determined to go there. (I think that's pretty high praise, yes?)
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